How do you know if you’re called to full-time vocational ministry? Why aren’t we talking about this topic more? And finally, the hot-button question asked in church and across Christian culture: What is a woman’s role in the church?

On this episode of Unapologetic, Julia sits down with her lifelong friend—author, speaker, and minister Tricia Lovvorn Patterson—to talk about what it’s like to be a woman in ministry in the Southern Baptist Convention, why girl’s ministry is important in churches, and how to discern if you’re being called to this vocation. Both Tricia and Julia share their experience of being called to ministry and provide insights for other girls and women also hearing that call. To close out the episode the two share their favorite tips for implementing spiritual disciplines—like prayer and reading the Bible—into your everyday life. Pull up a seat and enjoy this unapologetic conversation!