Jordan Lee Dooley knows what it’s like to live in that middle place. On this latest episode of Unapologetic, Julia sits down with the national bestselling author, influencer, and business owner to talk about how we can trust God in those middle seasons of life and what it looks like to embrace our almost.

During their candid conversation, Jordan shares her story of finding early success, only to suffer setbacks—including multiple miscarriages—in her mid-twenties. Julia also asks Jordan about what it looks like to set goals while still being open to God’s plan, how to avoid getting stuck when life doesn’t go like you thought it would, and why marriage and commitment are still important in a culture that increasingly says they’re anything but.

You can follow Jordan on Instagram, and check out her books, Embrace Your Almost and Own Your Everyday, wherever books are sold!