Did you know having fun is a glimpse of Heaven? A self-described “fun expert,” best-selling author, speaker, and podcaster Annie F. Downs’ whole ministry revolves around the pursuit of fun and why she believes fun is not only enjoyable, but also biblical. On this week’s episode of Unapologetic, Julia gets to sit down with Annie to talk all things fun: from how Annie made fun her calling to where we can start when it comes to having fun in our own lives.

Together the two explore the scriptural foundation for fun, discuss pursuing purity in adulthood, tap into what healthy confession looks like, and describe how to create boundaries around the media we consume. This is no doubt a fun conversation, however, it’s anything but surface-level, as Annie and Julia discover that at its core fun is biblical because it points us to something bigger: an eternity spent with God in Heaven.

Annie is all across the internet—connect with her on Instagram or check out her website. Her newest book, Chase the Fun, is out now, and you can listen to the That Sounds Fun podcast everywhere you get your podcasts.